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posted by [personal profile] nekare at 08:52pm on 04/03/2007
Had the most draining discussion with my brother today, about gay rights and religion and heaven and whatnot. Okay, yeah, he's entitled to having an opinion, but it's not his opinion, it's the wreteched school's opinion, and it drives me nuts to see how he's just UNCAPABLE of making a mind of his own. We've been in the same schools, and he's swallowing all of my high school's religious crap - a very much Catholic, very much rich-kids school, and adding the fact that he's sixteen and confused about whatever the hell sixteen year old boys are confused about, he's all about 'gays are digusting and enemies of God!' and 'but Catholicism is the right religion! No one else is getting into heaven!' and the three of us (being mom, dad and I) were trying SO hard to get him to see the entire picture and he just. Won't. Get it. UGH. He's always been a bit of a homophobe, so it's not surprising, but it's reaching new heights as of lately, and I'm just hoping so hard that he'll meet somone one of these days that'll make him see the matter in another way (I'd actually WHOOP in joy if one of his friends turned out to be gay just so he'll realize that, you know, gays are PEOPLE. *sigh*) And of course, there's that hypocresy thing with teenager boys in which they kinda gag at the mention of a gay man but DROOL at the thought of lesbians. *eyeroll* At which he said in a very tiny voice 'that's different...' and then my dad said 'so, do you believe in that whole masturbation is wrong too as well? because that's just stupid, considering how natural it is,' and omg ILU dad. Anyway, it was just quite frustrating, and I do hope he gets a broader life outlook once he gets older, because yeah, I wasn't all about teh boy love when I was that age, (a year more, though, and I became a total slash fiend) but I certainly wasn't as narrow-minded.

Then we discussed (only adults, this time, which was omg so much better) the influence of Catholicism in Mexican society in the extended family reunion, and that was actually pretty cool. I'm kinda all for secular education, because yeah, I had the precence of mind to not buy everything I was told, but so many kids don't, and end up growing up thinking whatever they're told at school is law. Unlike the US, a BIG percentage of people goes to private schools in here, most of which are Catholic, and the higher the social class, the strictest part or Church. Like, say, all those pretty schools in my city with TIGHT friendships with the Opus Dei. Beneath them are the Maristas (my high school was Marista, btw), and then the Jesuitas, and so on. Oddly enough, all of my Marista teachers were actually quite laid-back, while the regular teachers were the paranoid kind that had us stand up and pray before EVERY. SINGLE. CLASS. You know, the kind that intoxicate young minds with the 'you do that you go to hell' speech. My grandma, a devout Catholic, had me terrified of pretty much everything when I was little, until I grew up and realized how messed up the Catholic church is right now. It's been disappointing me steadily for years now, and while I do have faith, and I do believe in God and the Virgin Mary and all, I don't believe in the Institution any longer. Er, that sure got long... And what was the catalyst for all of this? The bright-colored-haired guy from RBD (the worst band EVER) coming out of the closet and the entire of Mexico's prissy's society going ballistic and prude-ish about it. I might hate his music, but man, that boy has my respect. The guts it must have taken...

Anyway, I was thinking, and by the time DW starts again I'll be downloading Supernatural, Heroes, Doctor Who, The Black Donnellys and Veronica Mars (if I'm all caught up with it already by then)) weekly. o_O My computer's gonna get fried, or something.
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posted by [identity profile] calvina.livejournal.com at 03:45am on 05/03/2007
Ack. Your parents sound pretty cool, though.
 
posted by [identity profile] nekare.livejournal.com at 12:14am on 07/03/2007
They are! Nothing's ever really been taboo with them, which rocks when you're growing up.
 
posted by [identity profile] thejadedflames.livejournal.com at 04:10am on 05/03/2007
He's still a little young though, maybe he'll be able to figure it out on his own eventually. Your parents sound awesome, though. I so wish my parents would be as accepting as that. *sigh*
 
posted by [identity profile] nekare.livejournal.com at 12:15am on 07/03/2007
Yeah, I hope so. Aw, my parents rock ♥ Their coolnees definitely made me grew up the way I am now.
 
posted by [identity profile] javajunkie13.livejournal.com at 04:11am on 05/03/2007
Oh man, my sister fell in with a super-religious crowd when she was younger and there was a period of time where I just wanted to lock her in her room until she started thinking for herself. The fact that you and your parents are open minded will probably help him to be as he gets older. Just keep pushing him to think for himself and back up his opinions with facts that don't come from his teachers. ♥
 
posted by [identity profile] nekare.livejournal.com at 12:16am on 07/03/2007
Yeah, I do hope he'll get better, *sigh*

Was it just a phase for your sister?
 
posted by [identity profile] javajunkie13.livejournal.com at 12:57am on 07/03/2007
Aw, I think he will. *hugs*

Yeah it was a just a phase for her. It was during that whole 'The whole world is against me, woe is me' teenage phase. I think the 'woe is me' phase lasted longer. She one of the most open minded people I know now; we had a big long political discussion about a week ago and I was all proud of her for being involved and forming her own opinions.
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posted by [identity profile] melandry.livejournal.com at 04:58am on 05/03/2007
Ugh, I know the frsutrations of misguided younger siblings and sympathize. It sounds like a lot of this is just your brother being a teenaged boy, though, and hopefully with such a great, free-thinking family to model his behavior on as a counter to the school/church stuff, he'll turn out okay in the end. Good on you and your parents especially for challenging him.
 
posted by [identity profile] nekare.livejournal.com at 12:17am on 07/03/2007
Ugh, I do hope so - teenage boys are just so weird in general, though... o_O
 
posted by [identity profile] dixie-pinky.livejournal.com at 05:58am on 05/03/2007
Ayer mi sis dijo "se caso el de rbd" y mi padre "donde?" y yo "por qe estamos hablando de donde?". Se nota qe ni tiempo tuve de ver la oreja esta semana? tragico.

Enfin nunca estuve -ni estare- en escuela privada de ese tipo, pero varios amigos mios han estado. De hecho el más "enfermo" estuvo en la más estricta (de las qe son cercanas al Opus Dei) así qe yo creo qe eventualmente tu hermano se formara su propia opinion del asunto.

No sé donde vayas pero en tnt ya empezaron con la 3era de VM, sólo me gustaría saber qe día.
 
posted by [identity profile] sunshineclouds.livejournal.com at 10:23am on 05/03/2007
Vale, para empezar yo no soy católica y no sé muy bien como se manejen estos temas más que por lo que me entero de quienes si lo son. Dicho lo propio; no sé, pero 16 puede parecer todavía una corta edad para formarse una opinión sobre todo porque como dices, las escuelas pueden ejercer una influencia enoooorme. Y si diario y a cada momento estás siendo bombardeado con esas ideas es complicado ver más allá de eso. Lo único que se puede hacer es esperar a el momento en que se liberen de eso y vean lo que hay en realidad. A lo mejor con el tiempo, se dan cuenta de que ideas tan, no sé, arcaicas simplemente no deberían prevalecer por encima los derechos de las personas sin importar orientación sexual o religión.

ODM!!! ¿Cuándo empieza Doctor Who? :O
 
posted by [identity profile] mysid.livejournal.com at 01:49pm on 05/03/2007
You know what bothers me most about using Christianity to say that homosexuality is wrong: the passage in the Old Testament which forbids homosxuality is in Leviticus with other kosher rules. In other words, to be an observant Jew, one must avoid shellfish, combining milk and meat, sodomy, etc.

Early in the history of the Christian Church, they had to decide if Christianity was a sect of Judaism or a serarate religion. By choosing to not to require circumcision of new converts and dropping the kosher rules, they chose the latter. So, sodomy isn't kosher, and is forbidden to observant Jews, but Christians don't follow the kosher rules, thus there's no reason they can't engage in sodomy.

(Well, St. Paul was anti-gay, and I think it comes through in his letters in the New Testament, but he was an observant Jew and a product of his culture.)
 
posted by [identity profile] pourtant.livejournal.com at 04:22pm on 05/03/2007
Your parents sound awesome :) It's crazy how stubborn some people can be about this topic. Every day I see little things that annoy me, for instance: a few days ago, a (guy) friend of mine put my jacket on to joke around, and it fit him so well that me and another girl told him so, but then she had to add, laughing, "you look like a faggot". And I think she's actually a pretty open-minded girl, so I was disappointed that she used this word. OF COURSE, the guy immediately took the jacket off and he started running after her like she'd insulted him. Urgh.
So yeah, coming out in certain societies? Extremely brave.

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